Showing posts with label Graeme Souness. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Graeme Souness. Show all posts

Monday, February 06, 2012

They Played for Spurs and Liverpool

Robbie Keane is the last to join the collection of players who have played for both Spurs and Liverpool but he added another twist by returning to Tottenham within six months.  Technically, Jamie Redknapp, the son of the Spurs manager, also did a 'Keane' as he started as a schoolboy with Spurs before going to Bournemouth, was transferred to Liverpool and finally joined Spurs at the end of his career.

Ray Clemence
Surprisingly, the first player transfer between Tottenham and Liverpool took place only thirty years ago.  Spurs signed Ray Clemence in the summer of 1981 after twelve successful years at Anfield.  The England international goalkeeper helped Spurs to retain the FA Cup in 1982 but missed out on the UEFA Cup Final two years later due to injury.  On his retirement he took up a coaching role with the club and during the Terry Venables 'reign' was joint First team coach with Doug Livermore in season 1992-93.  Clemence was 33 years old when he joined Spurs who had been looking for a top class goalkeeper since the departure of Pat Jennings four years earlier when at the age of thirty two, Keith Burkinshaw deemed him to be past his best.  While Clemence had a successful time at White Hart Lane he will always be remembered, first and foremost, as a Liverpool player.

Prior to the Clemence transfer, only one player had played for both clubs.  Joe Brough, a half-back, had joined Spurs from Stoke City in July, 1908 following their election to the Football League.  Ill-health during his time with Spurs meant he only made three appearances before returning to his former club, Burslem Port Vale.

From Anfield to White Hart Lane
Paul Walsh had four years with Liverpool in the mid-eighties before joining Spurs in February, 1988 for £500,000 as Terry Venables first major signing.  He spent four seasons at White Hart Lane and made an appearance as a substitute in the 1991 FA Cup Final.  He made over 150 League and Cup appearances, scoring 21 goals.  In his final season at White Hart Lane he had a period on loan with QPR before joining Portsmouth for £500,000 in May, 1992 as part of the transfer agreement which brought Darren Anderton to Spurs.


Ronnie Rosenthal joined Spurs in January, 1994 for £250,000.  He had joined Liverpool, initially on loan, from Standard Liege in March, 1990.  He made 100 League and Cup appearances for Spurs, scoring 11 goals.  He is fondly remembered for his hat-trick in an FA Cup replay against Southampton in 1995 when his goals inspired a second half fightback from two goals down to win 6 - 2.  He joined Watford in August, 1997.

John Scales joined Spurs in 1996 after two seasons at Liverpool.  His career at Tottenham was hindered by injury so that he only made 33 appearances before joining Ipswich Town in 2000.  His only goal for Spurs was against Liverpool in a League Cup win at Anfield in 1998.

Oyvind Leonaardsen was signed by George Graham in the summer of 1999.  His career in England has started with Wimbledon where he spent four years before joining Liverpool for a season.  He spent three years with Spurs and made 54 League appearances but in 2002 he signed for Aston Villa.

Christian Ziege joined Liverpool from Middlesbrough in 2000.  The following year he joined Spurs and was a member of their losing Worthington Cup team in 2002, scoring Spurs only goal against Blackburn Rovers.  Injury restricted him to 47 League appearances and he returned to Germany in June, 2004 to play for Borussia Monchengladbach.

From Tottenham to Liverpool
Paul Stewart was the first player to move from Spurs to Liverpool.  He had joined Spurs from Manchester City as a striker but turned into quite a useful midfield player who helped scored the equalising goal in the 1991 FA Cup Final and went on to win three England caps.  He made 131 League appearances for Spurs but for family reasons asked to move back north and Liverpool signed hm in July, 1992 for £2.3 million.  Injuries hindered him during his time at Anfield and he only made 32 League appearances in four seasons, spending time out on loan.

Neil Ruddock had two spells with Spurs, signing for a second time in 1992 from Southampton.  At the end of the season, Ruddock demanded a transfer in the aftermath of the Terry Venables/Alan Sugar saga.  He was sold to Liverpool where he remained for five seasons but was rarely far away from controversy.

From White Hart Lane and Back
Robbie Keane has spent six years with Spurs and made almost two hundred League appearances, scoring 82 goals for the club as well as helping them win the 2008 Carling Cup Final when he was transferred to Liverpool for £20.3 million the following summer.  His stay at Anfield was brief and not a success, so Harry Redknapp resigned him the following January.  He played another 41 League games and scored 11 goals before joining La Galaxy in the summer of 2011.  His second spell with Tottenham was not as successful with him spending time on loan at Celtic and West Ham United.

Nineteen years earlier, Jamie Redknapp had made the similar journey, via Bournemouth.
Redknapp started as a youth player with Spurs but turned down their offer and decided to go to Bournemouth where his father was manager.  He later joined Liverpool where he made over 300 appearances, winning five major trophies.  Glenn Hoddle brought him to Spurs in 2002 but injury plagued his time in London.  He made only 48 League appearances before joined his father at Southampton in January, 2005.

They played for Tottenham and Liverpool
Nicky Barmby left Spurs for Middlesbrough in 1995 and joined Liverpool in 2000 after four seasons with Everton.  Barmby is one of only a few players to move directly across Stanley Park.

Danny Murphy spent seven years with Liverpool before joining Charlton Athletic.  He moved to Spurs in January, 2006 after two years at The Valley.  He made 23 League appearances for Spurs and eighteen months later signed for Fulham.

Graeme Souness made only one appearance for Spurs as a substitute in a UEFA Cup tie in Iceland in 1971.  Anxious to get into into first team football, he requested a move and reluctantly was allowed to sign for Middlesbrough.  He later joined Liverpool where he played our a very successful career.  Souness had been the 'new Dave Mackay' for whom Bill Nicholson had been searching but the with the impatience of youth, Souness was not prepared to wait for his time at Tottenham.

Brad Friedel started his career in England with Liverpool where he made 25 League appearances in three seasons.  He joined Blackburn Rovers and then Aston Villa and then signed for Spurs last summer.


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Friday, September 23, 2011

Tottenham - A Winning Mentality

Do Spurs have that desire to win at any cost which the top clubs possess?  Those clubs have players who don't know what it is to be beaten and when they are, they don't like it.  That makes them stand out from all the other clubs around them but do the players at Tottenham have that same desire and winning mentality?

Is Scott Parker a Leader for Spurs?
Tottenham have always been regarded as a soft touch - a team who won't perform on a cold wet night in the north west.  Players will go missing and won't take responsibility when the going gets tough.  Do the current players have the desire to turn such opinions around?

Last year the team managed to gain 22 points from losing positions but they gained only 11 points out of a possible thirty from the bottom five teams in the Premier League which affected their final position dramatically.

The team has won their last two Premier League games but went out of the Carling Cup on penalties at Stoke.  The weakened team contained eight international players but they were unable to score in two hours of football and when it came to penalties their defeat was the sixth consecutive penalty shoot-out loss. When it came to the pressure of the shoot-out, it was an international striker, Roman Pavlyuchenko, who missed a crucial early strike so transferring the pressure to other less experienced players.  Similarly, the defeats in the Carling Cup Final and UEFA Cup match against PSV Eindhoven saw seasoned Premier League players with international experience miss vital kicks at a crucial time in the shoot-out, David Bentley and Jermaine Jenas.

Top teams regularly play under-strength sides in the early rounds of the domestic Cup competitions and have progressed to the latter stages, even going on to lift the Cup.  Tottenham's squad players aided by some talented youngsters weren't able to produce a similar result this week.

The victory at Wolves suggested greater application from the team against opposition who have proved difficult opponents since returning to the Premier League.  The win over Liverpool was pleasing in the energy that the players showed from the start taking the game to their visitors and not giving them a chance to control the game.  The four goal success was their largest win over Liverpool since 1963, so we shouldn't be too critical. However, the one question that has lingered in my mind since last Sunday is - should it have been more?

If things had been the other way round - Spurs at Anfield, reduced to nine men and three down with twenty five minutes remaining, would Liverpool have settled for four?  I suggest that they would have gone for the jugular and it would have been an even greater embarrassment than Liverpool felt last weekend.  Manchester United didn't settle for 5 - 1 or 6 - 2 against Arsenal they went for it and left the visitors totally shell-shocked.  Spurs, however, having gone three up and with Liverpool offering nothing, settled for playing 'keep ball' with pass after pass in midfield, not looking to create anything and Liverpool were content to let them do that as they weren't under any threat.  A team  with a winning mentality would have benn looking to create more chances, score more goals and make their opponents really suffer, as frequently happens to Spurs.  As it was Tottenham's fourth goal didn't come until the last kick of added time with Emmanuel Adebayor putting away Benoit Assou-Ekotto's cross.

Successful teams have players who lead by example and never know when they're beaten.  Steven Gerrard is the perfect example of that special type of player when he is wearing the 'red' of Liverpool.  He has pulled them through many 'lost' causes to success and they have an outstanding penalty-shoot record in vital European and Cup games.  Last season's defeat to Northampton Town at Anfield when Tottenham's Oscar Janssen was in goal for the visitors was an amazing 'blip' on an incredible record.  Manchester United had Roy Keane and Brian Robson who led by example, Livwerpool also had former Spur, Graeme Souness, but it is some time since Spurs had such a player in the team.

Graham Robers - a Leader
The most notable example is Dave Mackay from the 1960s with Graham Roberts and Paul Miller created from the same mould.  In Tottenham's UEFA Cup Final success in 1984, Roberts scored the equalising goal against Anderlecht and then led by example as captain on the night, by scoring the first penalty in the successful shoot-out.  Alan Mullery and Steve Perryman had similar qualities and were prepared to roll up their sleeves and get on with it when the going was difficult.  Who of recent Tottenham experience has had such a presence in the team?  William Gallas is certainly a 'winner' who doesn't take kindly to losing and on a number of occasions last year he showed that spirit when battling on with minor knocks and injuries bandaged or strapped up, rather than be substituted.

Harry Redknapp has often lamented the lack of a player with such character and qualities and the experience of Scott Parker was something that the manager felt would be of benefit to the current team.  A player prepared to fight for the right to play and not afraid to battle when things get tough.  He showed such leadership qualities while battling with West Ham last season.

The match against Wigan won't provide any conclusive answers but a defeat would further strengthen the argument that the Spurs players still lack a winning mentality while success would provide an indication that they might just be moving away from that 'soft' Londoners tag.




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